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Jamey: Hello and welcome to ucast your Star Wars cartoon podcast. My name’s Jamie and I wish you were drunk.
Matt: And my name is Matt and I’m already on my way out. Happy May the fourth, Jamie?
Jamey: Yeah, happy May the fourth to you and to your lovely dog that is sitting next to me. This is a special episode, um, for many reasons.
One is, it is May the fourth, and the second reason is that we are in the same place at the same time. So this is the first time, uh, we’ve been seeing each, seeing each other in a while. So, uh, we are attempting to record, uh, together. So, uh, please give us, uh, a little grace if there are any audio hiccups or weirdness or don’t screw you.
Matt: Yeah, I don’t wanna hear it. Um, yes, we are in the same room. We are sort of at opposite ends of the room ’cause we were trying to work out the technical difficulties of recording in the same room. But Jamie came out [00:01:00] to the East Coast to visit for a little bit and it just so happens to be May 4th while he is out here.
And I swear we didn’t plan it that way, but. He’s been out here for a few days and we’ve been doing all sorts of Star Wars shit. So Jamie, did you do any Star Wars this week?
Jamey: Well, yes, I’ve been enjoying, uh, your basement, that is pretty much all Star Wars. Um, all the helmets you have up the posters, the big area with all the toys, um, and then seeing the figurine, or not the figurines, but the, those, um.
Live Lifesize, um, statues, I guess you’d call them, of, uh, mannequins or whatever you know of, uh, jar Jar Darth Mall. Yoda, Anakin and Wado. And then I also did bring you some stuff that I, some Star Wars stuff that we had that my kids didn’t want anymore, that I had promised to send you a few years ago. [00:02:00] This time I just put it through it in the suitcase and brought it over.
Yeah. Um, and how about you?
Matt: Well, once we got here, um, we watched that documentary together of, there’s a disturbance in the force about the making of the holiday special. I think we both really, really enjoyed that. Yeah.
Jamey: Wow. That, that was a, that was, that’s something I might not have normally watched, but that was, it was really good and it was very insightful.
Matt: Yeah. And then, then of course, um. Tales of the Underworld came out today, but we watched the first two episodes in a theater in Fortnite because, um. Jamie knows how to do that. I do not know how to do that, but Jamie found the theater in Fortnite. We watched the first two episodes the night before and then woke up and watched all six episodes with my son, um, this morning.
Jamey: Yeah, it was, um, yeah, that was quite, quite an experience. We’re trying to watch it at first, we’re just watching it or watching the character [00:03:00] watch it, and then I find the full screen toggle and then we get to hear. People shooting blasters, like in the game, just playing as we’re watching it. So it was kind of like, I don’t know if there’s anything we can do about this.
I, I, I later found out that there’s other areas where you could watch it, where there would probably be less sounds, but, oh, well, you know, we learned and it was funny. It was funny and, but, you know, we were so engrossed in the story. Yeah. We barely even noticed it after a while.
Matt: Yeah. It faded pretty fast for me and.
I actually thought the blasting blasters were part of the background at one point in the show, but I had to remind myself, no, no. We’re in a theater inside Fortnite and a bunch of, a bunch of children are shooting at Stormtroopers right now. Um, so, but it’s, it’s fun. Like Fortnite is really invaded my house in a big way, and right now they’ve got their Star Wars season going.
Um, so the kids are really playing that a lot. I have never played Fortnite for a second, but [00:04:00] my kids and Jamie seemed to enjoy it a lot.
Jamey: Yeah, it, it, it was a, it was a way to kinda like hang out with my kids and do something that they enjoy and then I found that I kind of enjoyed it, or at least it just killed time for me.
So
Matt: yeah, you’re very patient with my. Younger kid, um, when he was trying to explain to you how to play the game while you were playing it better than him. So
Jamey: yeah, I, you know, like, I’m not gonna yell at your kid in front of you. Sure, go ahead. No, it’s just like, he, he doesn’t, he’s just trying to be helpful, so why would I, why would I be mean to somebody who’s trying to be helpful to me?
Matt: Yeah. He’s, he just gets really, he gets really excited when there’s company and, uh, like I told you, he really likes it when. We play Star Wars or when I am playing video games with him or watching him play video games, he likes explaining that sort of stuff. He’s very animated when it comes to that sort of thing.
And yeah, all of that. [00:05:00] The other, the other sort of cool thing about this recording is I’m using this. Star Wars Holiday. It’s made up Star Wars holiday As an opportunity to relaunch the podcast, since I have not posted anything since the 2024 year in review where I thought we’re going to hit the ground running in 2025.
But sometimes mental health gets in the way, sometimes a, um. Tech billionaire tells you and 2 million of your colleagues that they’re lazy and don’t deserve their jobs, and you spend months justifying your job to that person. Um, and that takes up a lot of time too, so, yeah.
Jamey: Yeah. And then throwing like vacations, um, death in the families and just.
Just life stuff. Sometimes it, it gets difficult.
Matt: Yeah. Tree fell on my house and all sorts of cool stuff has happened in 2025, but we have a bunch of recordings that I’ve [00:06:00] never posted and I’m gonna post this one up unedited. I’ll just trim the ends a little bit and just get back on the horse and get back out there and, and reengage our audience, which every time we start building an audience, I do something like.
Not post for 10 weeks. Oh,
Jamey: well, we’ve, um, we’ve agreed that I’m going to be more vocal about, um, you posting, um, and that, um, I will have a secret code to send to your wife to let you, you know, to hurt you in many ways, um, when you are not posting or doing what you’re supposed to do. So
Matt: the problem, the problem with this plan is you.
You guys haven’t realized yet? That’s my kink.
Jamey: Okay. Well, we’ll figure out something.
Matt: Yeah, like step on my balls and tell me I didn’t post a podcast again. Please.
Jamey: Uh, okay. Alright, weirdo. [00:07:00] Um, but yeah, and, and, um, something else that we, um, that’s been happening is, um, we are, uh, I don’t know, are we halfway through and or in season two?
Matt: Oh yeah, we’ve been watching, Andor has been coming out every Tuesday and we are, yeah, this is May the fourth. So we’ve had two releases of Andor, so six total episodes and we have six left to go. Um. I’m in love with this show.
Jamey: Yes, it’s, it’s quite excellent. Um, I, I’m, I’m enjoying the fact that they’re releasing it three at a time and just everything about it has just been, has been great.
Um, really kind of flushing out characters. Um. Like Cyril and Deidre, um, you know, like even like, like Bix, uh, you know, Lutheran, um, I can’t think of his name. Will, will Willem, will some of the, the kid who threw the bomb. Yeah.
Matt: Yeah. I think it’s Willam. And then obviously Mon Mo Ma too. She’s getting a lot of [00:08:00] screen time and story.
Jamey: Oh, yeah. Oh, and, and Lutheran, um, Lutheran’s starting to come off, at least to me as like. I mean, maybe it’s just that’s supposed to be his role, but he’s kind of a bit of a, can be a bit of a bastard.
Matt: Yeah, I think, I think that’s, I think his unwillingness to compromise or be flexible is going to be what ultimately is his downfall.
My only question is, does Cassie and kill him or to saw. Or somebody else. Mm. He’s definitely gonna die in the next two weeks. Right?
Jamey: Yeah. Prob I, I, I’m guessing ’cause he was, he’s never heard from him again. Um, unless, I mean, they could change that, but, you know, you know, other, you know, other people, you know, less important die, you know, in tragic, weird ways.
So I doubt that like the Sarah, like, there’s gonna be a happy ending for Lutheran. It just doesn’t seem like in the cards for him.
Matt: Yeah. Hard agree. I just, I don’t think he’s gonna make it and, [00:09:00] and I think he’s gonna be betrayed. I also think we were talking about this earlier tonight. I think Deidre and Cy are going to come.
Two blows. Either. Yeah. Either physically or one’s going to betray the other.
Jamey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It’s, um, it’s been, it’s been a lot of fun watching that, um, their relationship arc, um, that Cyril just. You know, the fact that like when his, he’s trying to put off his mom coming to visit to meet Deidre, and when she does, and she’s, she’s domineering as usual, and then he leaves and then, um, Deidre finds him just like, I don’t know if he’s crying, but he’s just on the bed, just like, uh, just like, he’s just like, I, I don’t just ex exhausted or upset, kinda like a little kid would be, is very much like a little kid would be just kinda like pouting.
And so it was just very. It was a very well thought out scene.
Matt: Yeah, I think it’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever [00:10:00] seen is Cy Cyril crying on a bed. I don’t know if he was crying, but like laying on a bed pouting. ’cause his, his mom was mean to him or just needling him constantly. It’s not like, it’s not, it’s passive aggressive mean, I guess.
Yeah. That’s still mean I think. I think Cyril is one of the funniest characters in Star Wars right now because. Like he was the one that ate cereal and he’s just so mundane and ordinary in every single way. And he’s trying to be great and he just isn’t. And he changes his backstory to make him sound cooler than he, than he really is.
And when he is training the new guy, he gets transferred to that spider planet. Um, and Gorman. Gorman. Yeah. And. He’s trying to make it work there, but he’s really just. Behaving like a spy, like a double agent, and he’s [00:11:00] trying so hard to be important and he’s just an ordinary person with a bitch of a mother, and all he wants to do is eat cereal.
It’s very, very entertaining.
Jamey: Yeah, just a very dummying girlfriend. He comes back to COR and the like. We have an hour. And then she’s like, turn off the light. And he’s like, I can’t believe you had me follow. And she’s like, turn off the light. Just like, okay mommy. He, uh, he definitely has, he has a type.
Matt: Yeah.
We’re, uh, we’re so in love that we still podcast face to face with the lights on, but uh, yeah. Yeah. Look at me. Look to my eyes, but she needs lights off to be with him. Yes. Lights off from behind only.
Jamey: Oh God. Cool. But so, um, yeah, so what we were gonna do, where, what we’re planning on doing is talking about tales within the world that came out today.
You know, for once we’d actually be timely with something. [00:12:00] Um, I know that the, probably the earth is probably. Shifting underneath, um, our, uh, few loyal listeners that we would do something timely, but, uh, we’re gonna attempt to do it.
Matt: Just a second. I gotta roll a die to see if we have to watch a New Walks episode.
Impromptly? No, we don’t.
Jamey: Okay, good.
Matt: Yes, we, we definitely watched all six episodes. We, like I said, we watched the first two episodes last night. Uh, yesterday on Fortnite in the Fortnite Theater. Uh, but then we watched all six episodes, even the two we watched the previous day ’cause my kid was watching it with us.
And this is the Tales of the End World. So there’s a three episode arc about interest poster resurrection, and then there’s a three episode arc about CAD Bain starting when CAD Bain was a street rat. Um, up until when he sort of. Gets his bonafides by, [00:13:00] um. Becoming like a lead assassin.
Jamey: Mm-hmm.
Matt: There’s gonna be spoilers discussed, by the way.
Jamey: Yes. But yeah,
Matt: it, um, yeah. So what was your, your initial thoughts? We can start with theoka one, I think. Um, the, the
Jamey: ventures.
Matt: Yeah. I’m sorry. Venous one. Jesus.
Jamey: No. Well, it’s just ’cause like we, we had a discussion earlier, um, that like venous and asoka are very much like Dave Looney’s babies, and he will, he will hold onto them for dear life as long as possible.
So, yeah, and they both, their and their names both, both start with an A. So it’s, it’s easy to get messed up. I also may have had
Matt: a couple drinks tonight.
Jamey: You did. I was actually there. I lost count. I was supposed to stop you at 11.
Matt: Yeah. And you failed your mission, so, so now you’re in trouble. We can start with the interest arc.
Um. Like I said, it was three [00:14:00] episodes, but it starts at the end of Dark Disciple, which I really, really appreciated. Um, it starts really at her funeral with Quinlan Voss and Obi one returning her body to the waters, um, on Death Mere. And then we sort of, we sort of see her in the afterworld or the afterlife with Sen and a bunch of night sisters, and she’s given a choice to either.
Stay with the night sisters or leave and go back to the living world. And she’s told that the cost is her heart’s desire, which I don’t feel like they were explained, um, what that was. But that’s sort of the setup. It’s, it really starts with her resurrection. Um, I really appreciate them showing us that and.
Tying it so closely to the Dark Disciple novel, right? Yeah. It, um,
Jamey: yeah, it, [00:15:00] it never, it, it was pretty much kind of what we thought. There was some sort of hand wavy sort of thing that, like, because Quinlan Vos said that he’d, he would always love her. Um, somehow that was kind of like a, like a tether to the real world.
Um, but you know, like she had to make some sort of like deal, which they never, they never fully explained. Um, but, um, and the whole of the whole thing, like I mentioned this morning, it reminded me of Return of the King when aor uh, Legos and Gimli, uh, went underground to the, um, I, I don’t know the proper name of it, but it was where like, it was pretty much like the city of the dead where Eric.
Went to, um, haul in the, um, the favor that he has owed as the, uh, king of condor to, you know, release the cursed people. Um, so it was, it had pretty [00:16:00] much that kind of feel, and it was, it was very cool and it was nice to see them. Um, it wasn’t nearly as hand wavy as I expected it to be. There still was some very much, uh, hand wavy kind of like, oh, she’s back to life now.
Matt: It was more than I wanted. I wanted a better explanation, but I’ll take it. Mm-hmm. Interest is back. She was resurrected. She was given a choice. She chose to come back to life. Fine. She’s a night sister. She’s a witch. They have special powers. It’s four CI don’t care. It’s fine. She’s back. But the plot, the plot of the three episode arc.
Isn’t really about her resurrection, it’s really about her chance encounter with a young padawan, um, who’s sort of on the run from the empire and she’s trying to help him escape in a way. And of course, they encounter an inquisitor one we’ve never seen before. Uh, yeah. What’d you think of [00:17:00] that? Inquisitor?
I thought he was pretty cool.
Jamey: The, um, I don’t know the alien, um, kind of been looking, but he had like some sort of horn, I think because his helmet had a pointed, I. Um, it was kinda like pointed, um, at the top front section, but he had a very like weird wrinkled face and no discernible nose or mouth.
Matt: Yeah, I think, I think the answer now is how many inquisitors are there?
I. As many as we need there to be,
Jamey: right? Yeah. Um, because there’s a bunch, uh, there’s a bunch in the Darth Vader comics, right? Rise of the Red Blades, the Tales of the Empire, um, rebels Jedi Fallen Order in Order. Um, you know, um, did I say Revels?
Matt: Um. And now this. And now this. Yeah. So there’s as many as there needs to be.
This one is a [00:18:00] unknown designation. Somebody’s brother, right? The 45th brother, the 69th brother. Um. That’s, that’s who this guy is. But, um, they escape the inquisitor together and get on a ship and get outta town. They want to find the padawan, wants to find the path, which is the Jedi Underground Railroad, established by Quinlan Voss to help Jedi escape The empire and interest is going along to find Quinlan.
That’s what, that’s what her goal is. Um, and just along the way she thinks getting, getting there is going to be worth her trouble. So she’s helping this kid along. Um, do you wanna talk about the bounty hunter stuff?
Jamey: Yeah. So they, um, so they run into, no, like, I don’t know, have we seen these, these bounty hunters
Matt: [00:19:00] before?
I don’t think so. Sorry, I yawned. No, I don’t think so, but I can look that up while you’re talking.
Jamey: Right. So, yeah, so they, um, they end, they end up running into the, the, uh, the bounty hunters in the middle of, um, capturing a bounty. It’s a, um. Oh, uh, shoot. What’s the, it’s the pond. Krell species. They’re, um, Baulus.
Balu? Yeah. Um, it’s got like four, like, kinda like vio acts sort of things, or they’re like glowing blade circular blades. And these, um. Alien woman and a robot are fighting, fighting it, and a um, venous stops it at the last second and then they shoot it and you find out that this is a bounty. But you know, venous is contacting them because they can have information about the path and they decide to help each other.
They’ll help them steal. Something from an imperial shipyard, and then [00:20:00] the bounty hunters will get them information about the path. And um, and then it, what it turns out they’re stealing some sort of like some module for, um, the shield generators for the. Um, star destroyers. So the big round golf ball looking, um, nodules on the top of star destroyers, those are the shield generators.
And so we get to see them being transported like from like where they’re assembled to, um, where they’re gonna, where they’re going to be, um, placed onto the ship. And that’s where, you know, that’s where they decide to, you know, like. Um, pull off the heist and the heist goes sideways, uh, in a big way. And then, um, they decide that they’re going to, um, the Bonnie Hunters decide that they’re just gonna take, um, the boy’s name is Ko and, um.
And, um, but Asa is able to get to the end of the [00:21:00] ship. She pr, she pretty much slices and dices the droid Bonnie Hunter, and she forces the female to take them where they want to go or give her the information and, um, probably just drop them off someplace. Um. Then they, and that’s like the end of the second episode and then third episode is them trying to track down the path.
Matt: Yeah. Real quick before we go forward, that Bounty Hunter, the second episode, her name is Latz Razzy and she is in Clone Wars episodes. She’s in the Clone Wars episodes from, she was in an arc in season four that, um. Has, it’s called, she’s in the brothers episode with, um, sja Press and Mall, um, crap. I keep clicking away from her.
And she’s in another episode called [00:22:00] Bounty. Um, yeah, so she’s, she’s in a bunch of stuff, so she is a reoccurring character. My bad.
Jamey: Yeah, she seemed familiar, but I don’t, you know, um, you know, so there’s so many characters that it just like, it’s, it’s easy to get, um, e easy to get them confused. Um, and she was actually the same.
Um, she, um, she’s the, um, she may very well be the same species as Jackie. They’ve got like the three, um, kind of three spines on their head and kind of like the weird te not tattoo pattern, but just like pattern of spots around their eyes.
Matt: Yeah, I think so too. I think, I think it’s very highly likely that Jackie is, yeah.
I’m looking at, she’s a thilan and mm-hmm. And Jackie’s a thilan, so yeah, they’re the same species. That’s [00:23:00] another thing we also did, we watched the, uh. The acolyte episode night, which is, yeah.
Jamey: Oh, according to Wikipedia. Uh, Jackie is a thilan human hybrid.
Matt: There it is.
Jamey: Yeah. But, um, yeah, so, um, so keeps you on.
Matt: Yeah. The third episode is they get the, they get the intelligence from the bounty hunters and they head off to this planet. They’re looking for a valley. Um. And then they come upon a ranch and they decide that they’re gonna check it out. There’s a bunch of broken battle droids out front acting like scarecrows, I think.
And as they approach the hut, someone shoves a blaster out the door and starts shooting at them. They’re easily overpowered. She goes inside and finds a little girl and a south will rise again. Veteran. Yeah, hoping for the confederacy of, of independent systems to come back. [00:24:00] He recognizes interests and thanks her for her service.
Yeah.
Jamey: Yeah, it’s, uh, it’s kind of cool. He has like his, all, like his, uh, metals and like, um, display cases on the wall and he, you know, he’s been injured because of, um, they, um, they have, uh, trouble getting water. I. It. Um, and once again, they make kind of like a deal. Um, they’ll help this family get the water if, you know, they show them, um, this canyon that they want to go to, and then it, this is kind of a desert, desert planet.
And so when they go to the water, it’s, it’s actually this kind of like oasis sort of thing. It’s really cool. It’s reminds me of like Yellowstone. Um, it really looked like
Matt: an underground spring. Like, like, like some sort of like natural spring in, in, in the middle of this desert planet. It looked really refreshing.
And when they, when they showed it, it was like, what, there’s a ton of [00:25:00] water? What, what are they talking about? But it’s quickly revealed that this water hole is fought over. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jamey: So like all these like. Uh, turns out there’s these little like aliens. They, they, they reminded me a lot. I mean, at first they kinda remained reminded me of the coconut people from Mo, um, Moana, just because they’re, they have very like, stubby legs and they’ve got kind of like these, they’re in like these.
Little, like, like, like kind of roundish, bodysuits, uh, and they’re all just like, you know, attacking with, um, sort of like, just like clubs and spears and poking things. And they’ve got like, these little, I guess would be considered speeder bikes.
Matt: Yeah. And they, they overwhelm interest and the girl, and they basically lose the water supply.
But, but the. Wan who’s with them. He can [00:26:00] communicate with them somehow. He speaks their language and they sort of talk it out and realize that the water source belongs to them and they’ve been defending it from these humans, and, and humans feel the same way. So it’s just a big misunderstanding that.
Limited resource, resource allocation, all that crap. So the humans want it. These little tote aliens want it. Um, so the interest now. Takes to the task of convincing the two to stop fighting and share the water and it Yeah. Sort of works.
Jamey: Yeah. The, yeah. The, um, the old Confederate veteran, he’s, he’s, he’s not, um, not so easily convinced, but he kind of goes along with it.
Yeah. He
Matt: reads his old letters. My dearest Virginia, I, I, I write you from Antietam. I pray [00:27:00] your virtue remains true as I fight the fight these northern aggressors. Um, but yeah, he’s, uh, eventually convinced. Soka doesn’t, or, sorry, interest doesn’t think it’s gonna stick, or she’s a little bit cynical about it and says maybe they’ll start fighting again tomorrow.
Doesn’t care. They get directions to the valley. They ride this cool animal, this cool dinosaur thing down to the valley, and a ship is leaving. The ship presumably is part of the path. So the Jedi are loading onto it. Interest tells Lyco she’s not going with them. Because she’s killed too many Jedi, I guess, and doesn’t wanna, doesn’t want an awkward meeting.
Um, and he goes along without her, she gets back on the. Dinosaur thing and starts to ride away. And then Lyco shows up and says, I think I’d rather hang out with you than go to the path. [00:28:00] And
Jamey: that’s, then she, then she’s like, you, you missed the ship, didn’t you? And he acts like he doesn’t, but I thought that that was actually, that’d be funny that he actually did miss the ship.
So instead he, uh, he, he decides
Matt: to like hang out with her. I do like that line ’cause it. It injects some ambiguity into what actually happened. Um, and it’s very funny, but that’s the venous arc. We didn’t get to see her reunited with, um, Quinlan. We don’t get to see anything about the path, but we do meet Lyco and the, the grizzled old Confederate and.
Get to see a heist gone wrong, and I don’t know if we mentioned it, but they were stealing the shield generator for a rebel group. An unnamed rebel group.
Jamey: Yeah. Yeah. They, um, well, we didn’t, but that’s correct.
Matt: So, so that, that’s just more [00:29:00] hints of what’s, what’s to come for the galaxy. Mm-hmm. Like, like the rebels are gathering this material and using the bounty hunters to help them.
Um. Anyway. What did you think about this arc, this three episode arc? I thought it was pretty cool. It
Jamey: wasn’t a super satisfying ending, but I think it comes down to, uh, Dave Filone is gonna hold onto these characters. Like massage and a soka for a long time. So he doesn’t wanna write himself into a corner with, um, you know, you know, like giving kind of like a, the final story.
Um,
Matt: yeah, I think, I think that’s my takeaway from the interest thing is it is a good story, but very little is resolved. Very little happens. And now she has a sidekick that doesn’t show open later stuff. So I made the joke, um, when we saw it this morning. Um, probably a bad move by [00:30:00] Lyco because who knows what happens to him now.
Yeah. But it does show adventurous is growing and she’s not just. An assassin anymore. She’s trying to find a place in the galaxy. She’s trying to do the right thing. She’s trying at least what she thinks the right thing is, and she sort of understands what her role is, at least at this point. Um, but yeah, I thought it was fine.
I thought it was good. I enjoyed it. It is a very minor story as far as interest is concerned, because I assume Dave felon is I. Gonna write. A fucking book about her. Right. Like, like 20 more episodes of with interest in it in some form.
Jamey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. He’s definitely not done, done with the character.
Matt: Alright. Do you want to move on to the CAD banar?
Jamey: Yeah. So, um, so the CAD Bay narc [00:31:00] just starts with cad, um, well actually his name’s Colby. Is
Matt: that right? I’m, I’m clicking my way to the episode ’cause I really wanted to know his name, but you beat me to the question, so gimme a second. Yeah. Colby or Colby,
Jamey: uh, uh, like he and his.
S uh, friend, uh, Nero, they’re just pretty much like street rats. Um, you know, just kind of hustling just to get by. Just, you know, so they, they can eat. Um. And they, they end up, uh, falling into with a, a gang and, uh, the leader of the gang, he acts very much like Cad Bain does. Um, in the Clone Wars episodes, he’s, he has kind of like the fedora and he has like similar mannerisms.
Matt: Yeah. His name is Lao and I first thought it was CAD Bain. When I first saw him, but then it becomes very obvious that CAD Bain is one of those two [00:32:00] kids, um, Niro and Colby, and yeah, it’s, it’s a really good setup. There’s a lot of DuRoss in these episodes and we see a lot of sort of DuRoss culture, I guess.
Uh, on this planet?
Jamey: Uh, yeah, a lot of different, like facial structures and, um, a lot of like closeups things I didn’t notice about them, you know, like the coloring, you know, like cab baes blue, but Niro is green. And then at one point we, I think we see a purple one.
Matt: There’s a purple one for sure. And then there’s different shades of green and, yeah.
Some of them were splotchy or,
Jamey: yeah. Um, so they, they kind of get sucked into this. Um, do like, kinda like helping this gang, um, like hit like some, like I, I, I’m guessing some, like I. Like, like some other gangsters, like, um, poker game or something. Let’s just assume that. Or a safe house [00:33:00] and, you know, the, the cops come, Nero gets busted, but CAD doesn’t.
And then, um. The Azi gives CAD all of his an, uh, his cut and Niro’s cut. Um, and so like Ne
Matt: Niro is shipped off to Ro Juy juvie and CAD Bain stays with the gang. It should be noted that Kad, Kolby, cad, and Nero are dirt poor at the beginning of this episode. Like they’re literally like rummaging in the garbage can for food.
Jamey: Yeah. Yeah. They don’t, yeah, they don’t have anything. They’re both orphans. Um, so yeah, so like, like it was actually the, that Lao, he just gave them like. Like one coin to kind of give them a taste of what it was, you know, what it’d be like to have money. So then when he offers them more money to do something illegal, you know, they’re less likely to, um, say [00:34:00] no.
Matt: Yeah, exactly. So in the second episode, so in the end of first episode, New York gets pinched and Colby gets away in the second episode, we’re off into the future. Um, there’s. How does it start? Sorry.
Jamey: Uh, the, the, the second episode?
Matt: Yeah.
Jamey: It, it starts at the, kinda like the gang headquarters and, um, they’re all leaving for a score and CAD Bain is for forced to stay back.
Matt: Oh, that’s right. Yeah. And then the ship returns damaged and they report that SIO is dead. He was shot by a law man. The planet.
Jamey: Yeah. So, um, you know, all they have is his hat and Kad BA’s uh, very upset. So he and his, uh, he and he and his girlfriend, I guess you’d call her.
Matt: Yeah, [00:35:00] Aaron,
Jamey: I. Aaron, yeah. They go, uh, back to the planet to get, you know, revenge to, ’cause originally he’s complaining that, you know, that’s his old neighborhood, you know, he should go, he knows it and he’s not allowed.
And that’s what, you know, probably saved his life. But you know, now he’s gonna go back there for revenge and then he just happens across Nero. Um, Nero’s
Matt: a cop.
Jamey: Yes.
Matt: So we have super criminal, super cop dynamics now. Um, CAD Bain’s gonna kill the marshal. Uh, just there’s a lot of tension in between Nero and CAD Bain at this point.
Um, Nero. They’re pretty, I found the police force in this, these episodes to be pretty nonchalant, where they’re like, we gotta wait for ’em to create a crime before we do anything.
Jamey: Mm-hmm.
Matt: And you’re like, like, oh, are you gonna kill anybody today? I’m like, that’s not up to me. That’s up to the criminals, that sort of thing.[00:36:00]
Jamey: Yeah.
Matt: But cad bang gets in a shoot and gets in a shootout with the, um, Marshall and wins. But Aaron is injured in the whole thing. And, um, she betrays him. Surrendering his weapon and CAD Bain is arrested and sent to prison for murdering the marshal. Yeah. Um, oh, sorry. So is there any, anything else in episode two we need to talk about?
Jamey: I. Um, no, no, not that I can think of, but just that, like his girlfriend Aaron is very much just like, she doesn’t want him to, you know, she definitely cares for him and doesn’t want him to, to die or get hurt. Um. Or she tries to do what she feels is best and then that pisses him off. Yeah. Like
Matt: she, he definitely, he definitely interprets her actions as a betrayal.
Um, he [00:37:00] definitely gets caught because of her. And I think episode three, we’re gonna talk about how loyal she is to him, after all. Mm-hmm. Um, because the third episode is years later, again, now Nero is the Marshall. Cad Bain’s Goons are back on the planet, but they don’t understand why, because CAD Bain is still in prison and will be for at least five more years, but they look it up and due to a technical error, he has been released and is probably on a shuttle headed to that planet right now to kill Nero.
Because Niro is now his nemesis.
Jamey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you find out that, um, there’s a little dros, um, child, and you find out that Niro is a father and the child’s name is Isaac and it’s blue, I should say. He’s blue.
Matt: Yeah. The the kid is blue. Niro’s [00:38:00] green, and Aaron was greenish. Right. I don’t know how the genetics work, but this kid does not exactly look like Nero, but, but the kid is very attached to him, calls him dad, and there doesn’t appear to be a mom around anywhere.
So, so Nero has a confrontation with one of the goons. The goons tells him that CAD Bain is coming back to the planet to finish his, finish the job. Um. Then he reveals that he knows that after CAD Bain went to prison, that Niro shacked up with cad Bain’s Main squeeze Aaron. And we find out that that kid is Niro and Aaron’s kid and he, and we find out later that Aaron’s dead.
But, but that is. The child from that relationship, and so now we [00:39:00] have a whole nother motivation for CAD. Bain, his best friend has been banging his girl while he’s behind bars. Mm-hmm. They got married and have a family and she’s gone. This becomes a plot point because, well, CAD Bain does show up to the planet.
He. His goon sort of threaten Niro. Niro does not do a whole lot to protect himself.
Jamey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. For the marshal of area, he’s not very, um, he doesn’t seem good at this sort of thing.
Matt: Yeah. Even the council, like whatever, they went to like a town hall and a bunch of like older states, people were like, you should just leave town, or you should just send in a bunch of droids to kill him.
Right. Like, don’t mess around with this, just. Cut it off and he won’t do any of that. And so he’s trying to confront Bane and then [00:40:00] he sends Isaac away. But Isaac jumps out of the car and comes back and so Isaac and Niro are there with Bane. They get in a big shootout and shocking. No one. The goons are killed.
Nero is killed. And Bain is fine, and Isaac is standing over the body of Nero. And as Nero’s dying cad, Bain says to him, you took everything from me. And he said, not everything. And then gestures toward the boy and cad. Bain realizes this is his son.
Jamey: Mm-hmm.
Matt: So Niro not only shacked up with his girl, he’s been raising his boy.
So. CAD Bain, you really, really stepped in it when he went to prison.
Jamey: Yeah.
Matt: Um, a woman, one of the DuRoss women run up and grab Isaac and tell CAD Bain to get the hell away from him. And [00:41:00] CAD Bain wanders off into the sunset. I. Um, that’s pretty much the end, right?
Jamey: Yeah. He just kind of walked away and it fades out.
So no redemption for Kid Kat Bain.
Matt: Yeah. Turns out Kad. Bain’s also deadbeat dead.
Jamey: Yeah.
Matt: Add that to the list. Um, yeah, so as far as a prequel, so the, the interest story was sort of a sequel. To Clone Wars. This is a prequel to the Clone Wars. ’cause everything happens prior to we, to us ever knowing CAD Bain.
He doesn’t end up with a respirator. So that happens sometime in the future. Um, and he’s still quite young. At the end when he kills Nero. Um, so as a prequel, what did you think about this for the character?
Jamey: Um, I thought it was pretty good. Um, I wish there was a little bit more into why he was so uncompromising.
Um, to me that just seems like the nature of the game. I. Um, you know, like the law [00:42:00] got got, you know, one of you, you don’t personally go after, you know, have a vendetta.
Matt: Yeah, I, I see that. I think these are short episodes. I think what we’re supposed to understand is that Lazio really cared for Kolby and was really looking out for him and sort of shaping him in his own image.
And when Lazio died. Cad. Bain went off the deep end and he was just like, I’m like, all right, my life is all about revenge now. And that’s why he killed the Marshall. And then, you know, revenge, revenge, revenge after that.
Jamey: Oh shoot. I just had something I was gonna say and I, I completely spaced on it, but, um, I did like the fact that he is kind of an irredeemable piece of shit that he’s like, a lot of people get redemption arcs.
He does not.
Matt: Yeah, I mean, he, he eventually is quote unquote killed by Boba Fed way off in the future. So I, I like this [00:43:00] character overall. He is a bad guy. He is unapologetically a bad guy. There’s nothing he ever does in any piece of Star Wars that I am aware of where he is, where he shows any remorse or redemption, redeemable qualities in him.
And. I sort of was making a joke about it this morning and on the recording just now, but the fact that he walks away from his own kid after he realizes that’s his kid. It’s just more, more stuff on the fire.
Jamey: Yeah. He, um, I’ve never, you know, I’ve kind of warmed up to him a little bit, but I’ve never quite liked his character in c cl wars because he’d always get the upper hand on everybody, you know, including the Jedi.
And it’s like. I don’t know if I really buy that. Um, um, but um, overall I think that was pretty, it was a pretty, it was, um, it was a pretty good arc for him. Um, I know he’s probably also one of Dave Malone’s [00:44:00] favorites, so, you know, he’ll do what he wants to do with him.
Matt: Yeah, for sure.
Jamey: Uh, you know, though, so he, he is dead.
So there is, uh, for, you know, there isn’t a whole lot you can do post book above effect, uh, about, um, about CAD Bain.
Matt: Those, those people that put implants in people’s body could have found CAD Bain and brought ’em back to life. He’s now a cyborg. Mm.
Jamey: Yeah.
Matt: So the other thing, the other thing that I wanna just talk about briefly is this is the third one of these, right?
They did right. Tales of the Jedi, tales of the Empire. Now, tales of the underworld. I know we’ve talked about this before, but I really want some sort of like. Tales of the Old Republic, or tales of the High Republic, or tales of Mandalorian, like what would, what would you want if they competed, continue this series, what would you think would be the best?
Jamey: Well, in addition to what you said, you know, like, like, so like [00:45:00] tales of mandal or tales of the resistance, tales of the first order. You know, you could talk about like what’s going on in the first order, like right after Jaco. Um, that would be something interest I would find. I would find that interesting.
Just kind of following it along. It’s their, um, you know, kind of their, um, um, kind of like how, you know, they survived and thrived. Um, you know, something like, you know, show us something we don’t know at all. Um. You know, and that’s something that I think a lot of us would be in, uh, interested in knowing is, is, you know, what happened with, you know, those early years of the first order when they’re just, you know, they’re just the imp you know, with the Imperial remnant.
Um, yeah. Shoot, I. Yeah, there. There’s so much we could do, but those, I mean, the things you mentioned plus what I mentioned [00:46:00] are the things I’m really interested in. Yeah. That I hope that they do.
Matt: I hope they keep it up. I hope they just keep doing these. It seems like they’re about once a year now, and I always, I used to say that, that I.
The Batman model for animation works so well that I wish Lucasfilm would adopt it. And that’s like basically like every 12 to 18 months released a 75 minute cartoon movie. And that’s roughly what they’re doing now. Yeah, and I’m on board, right? We got about 90 minutes of Star Wars this morning. Um, just under, and all animation and Star Wars animation is Peak.
Star Wars.
Jamey: Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. And they’re, they’re short enough to where they don’t drag on. Um, um, you know, like definitely, you know, like the Avengers one definitely left me wanting more, but, you know, it’s not enough to where like, you know, like eventually it’s just like, all right, just get it over with already, you [00:47:00] know, like, um, so I’m.
I’m, uh, I’m cautiously, you know, like optimistic that they’ll keep on doing it. And, and there will be just kind of like short dynamic stories, you know, whether it’s an origin or just, you know, what’s happening at, at some particular time.
Matt: Yeah. Tale of the Clones would work too. Fill in. Oh yeah. Fill in some gaps.
Jamey: Tales of the, tales of the clones or something just following their lives. Uh, that would be, that would be interesting. Um, um, but yeah, that’s, I guess that’s all I got to say about that.
Matt: Yeah, I think, I think the. Positive news here is tales of, tales of the Underworld world. Were great. Um, loving and or still a lot more and or to come, um, celebration announced a new mall cartoon.
Not sure when that’s coming out, but I. [00:48:00] But
Jamey: yeah, that looks very promising. Um, looks like it has Darth talent in it from, uh, you know, recounting the legends character
Matt: or some, some version of her. Yeah, I, I, I’ll be fine with that.
Jamey: Mm-hmm.
Matt: Um, yeah, and so I think there’s a ton of Star Wars. Look forward to season two of a Soka has begun filming.
We’ve got. There was a teaser trailer for Mandalorian and Gro GU that you can probably still find clips of on YouTube if you wanna go looking for it. Disney will, I’m sure will scrub the internet of it all eventually. Um. But lots of good Star Wars and we’re back.
Jamey: Yeah. And yeah. And I think didn’t they announced that they’re gonna start, um, post, um, oh, there’s a new movie coming out called Starfighter that’s gonna happen after, um, the events of, um, rise of Skywalker.
Matt: Yeah. Ryan Gosling.
Jamey: Yeah, that should be cool. [00:49:00] Um, so yeah, so there’s a lot of stuff to look forward to, and we’re gonna start, we’re, um, we’re gonna, uh, you know, pick ourselves up by your bootstraps, um, and, um, you know, start releasing these episodes recording more, try to be more efficient. Um, try to, you know.
Make it worth your time, uh, dear. Uh, y subscriber. Y. Subscriber. Subscriber, yes. Um, that you’re not just like, like, like see a new yo guest. What the, you know, is it, is it time for another Olympics? You know? So, um. You know, we’re back, you know, we’re back, back on the horse. Um, we, we said that we, you know, we had 42 last year and, you know, we would like to, you know, we would like to, um, at, you know, beat that or at least match it.
So we’ve got some, we’ve got some work cut out for us.
Matt: Yeah, I’ll play a little bit of catch up now, [00:50:00] but we’ll see what happens. Um, I appreciate everybody. And I have had a couple people ask me if the podcast is coming back on various socials and yep, we’re back. So this one is gonna be an unedited episode so we can get it up.
Um, but look for. The ones we recorded, probably, probably back when skeleton crew was on television. Mm-hmm. Um, to be posted soon and you can hear all of our terrible speculation about what’s going on in skeleton crew.
Jamey: Mm-hmm. Yeah. See how wrong we were or how right we were. Um, mostly wrong, but you know, whatever.
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